Topic: Some thoughts.

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  • #1934
    jimcrowley
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    Just come across this and have had a quick run through the vids and a pass through the combat demo.

    Wow! Very impressive for a small indie company. A very detailed tactical model backed by, what looks to be, a solid and varied strategic setting.

    I really like how the combat system works and the ‘bobble heads’, while a bit strange initially, really grew on me and give it quite a unique look.

    The following are just a few random thoughts and suggestions which may already have been considered and/or rejected.

    When units strike a blow and miss, it would be good to see this graphically somehow, rather than just by sound or having to look at the combat log.

    Given the fantasy setting, would it be inappropriate to have some low level cleric and/or magic users, either as characters or as traits? I would see clerics as being healers who could speed up the existing healing process with, maybe, in-combat healing being included on a very limited basis (neither healer or healed being in contact with the enemy, for instance). They would also have some efficacy against the undead, perhaps being able to destroy ones that have been downed and preventing them from resurrecting.
    Magic would be limited to hedge-wizards who could provide some limited offensive spells or protection boosts. As they develop they could level-up either magic or combat skills.

    Handguns could be an interesting weapon type to include. Slower to load, perhaps taking two turns and not very accurate other than at short range. They would nevertheless be potent, particularly against heavy opponents, as they would bypass armour protection, which was how they were used historically in this period.

    There are night and day effects already. Any weather effects? – fog and heavy rain come to mind with both closing down range of vision and rain causing reduction in movement rates due to mud -something a hedge wizard might be able to assist with.

    I know this is called Battle Brothers but no battle sisters? Pretty much every fantasy setting has female warriors and there certainly was a limited amount of them historically.

    Someone suggested having the option to create a lead character, which you rejected for good reasons but it would be nice to be able to choose one of the starting trio from the list available. That way, I could have my captain as, say, a failed nobleman rather than having to choose between three backgrounds that I may not like. Not a big deal but it is supposed to be about ‘my company’ and this would enhance the RPG element IMO.

    Random events are planned, it seems but what about potential planned events? This game has a lovely boardgame feel to it so why not have a ‘card’ mechanic?
    Each side would get a small number of action cards, selected randomly, from a larger deck which would have the chance to influence actions and events in combat.
    The cards would only have a percentage chance to come into effect when played but could, for instance, alter a poor outcome or reinforce a good one; delay an opponents turn or pull back a routed comrade and so forth. This mechanic would sometimes allow ‘off the wall’ events to happen which could not easily be accommodated in the normal combat system – like a one-off super shot from a missile weapon or a very poor brother taking down a very powerful enemy.

    Just some thoughts; in any event keep up the good work. This looks hugely promising.

    #1936
    Rap
    Keymaster

    Thanks, glad you like the game! :)

    Given the fantasy setting, would it be inappropriate to have some low level cleric and/or magic users, either as characters or as traits? I would see clerics as being healers who could speed up the existing healing process with, maybe, in-combat healing being included on a very limited basis (neither healer or healed being in contact with the enemy, for instance).

    We want to have non-combat followers eventually, tending to the logistical needs of a mercenary company. This would likely include some type of healer helping your injured Battle Brothers to recover faster and from more serious injuries once we add a more complex injury system in the future. Healing in combat is something we want to avoid, as in our opinion it would very much break the flow and detract from how bloody and deadly battles are right now. We may add one or two very rare legendary items with magical healing properties eventually, but that’s about it.

    Handguns could be an interesting weapon type to include. Slower to load, perhaps taking two turns and not very accurate other than at short range. They would nevertheless be potent, particularly against heavy opponents, as they would bypass armour protection, which was how they were used historically in this period.

    Not planned for now, as we’re focussing more on the early to mid medieval times. You’ll notice that we don’t have any real plate armor, either. Still something that might possibly make it into the game at some point in the far future.

    There are night and day effects already. Any weather effects? – fog and heavy rain come to mind with both closing down range of vision and rain causing reduction in movement rates due to mud -something a hedge wizard might be able to assist with.

    We have a few weather effects already (it’s raining in the ‘Defend the Hill’ scenario of the combat demo, for example), but they’re purely cosmetic for now. We want to add more weather effects in time, depending on where in the world you’re at, and also have them have actual effects on gameplay, like you said.

    I know this is called Battle Brothers but no battle sisters? Pretty much every fantasy setting has female warriors and there certainly was a limited amount of them historically.

    Resource constraints forced us to go without them for now. They’re planned but I can’t tell you when they’ll make their way into the game. Here is a preview of how one might look.

    Someone suggested having the option to create a lead character, which you rejected for good reasons but it would be nice to be able to choose one of the starting trio from the list available. That way, I could have my captain as, say, a failed nobleman rather than having to choose between three backgrounds that I may not like. Not a big deal but it is supposed to be about ‘my company’ and this would enhance the RPG element IMO.

    We may add some kind of character generation at the start of a campaign eventually, it’s come up now and again in discussions. However, it’s pretty low on our priority list for now as there are so many more things we want to do with the game.

    Each side would get a small number of action cards, selected randomly, from a larger deck which would have the chance to influence actions and events in combat. The cards would only have a percentage chance to come into effect when played but could, for instance, alter a poor outcome or reinforce a good one; delay an opponents turn or pull back a routed comrade and so forth. This mechanic would sometimes allow ‘off the wall’ events to happen which could not easily be accommodated in the normal combat system – like a one-off super shot from a missile weapon or a very poor brother taking down a very powerful enemy.

    I don’t believe the concept of action cards would fit with our design. The things you’re describing are already possible without the use of action cards.

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    #1937
    jimcrowley
    Participant

    Thanks for the quick response, Rap.

    Interesting that you mention a more advanced injury system.

    The majority of FRPGs seem to use the simple hit point system; the character is fully effective until the loss of the last HP, when he or she either dies or becomes unconscious. Not overly representative of the effects of getting hit and injured by medieval weapons (or in any time period).

    Not sure what your plans run to but it would be good to see combat abilities impaired (hits to arms) and movement curtailed (hits to legs); those being the predominant areas shown to be hit in the 1930’s study in Gotland. Maybe some permanent impairment that would carry over, such that a brother would forever move a bit slower than he did because of a gimped leg, for example.

    In any event, your future plans sound like exciting additions to the game going forward and it looks like you already have a battle sister ready to go!

    Cheers
    Jim

    #1938
    PsenBattle
    Keymaster

    Hey Jim,

    to elaborate on the injuries. One of the elements we want to add is, just like you mentioned, permanent injury. People will lose ears, eyes and even limbs in battle. Of course all of that will be shown on the character busts (except the missing limbs haha). So after a while of combat your veterans will be covered in eye-patches, scars and bandages :)
    On top of that injured Brothers will take a lot longer to recover which makes healers important. The max limit of people in your company will increase accordingly, so you’ll always have to have some substitutes ready. You see…one thing leads to the other here. I could go on writing forever :)

    Cheers,

    Paul

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    #1939
    jimcrowley
    Participant

    Excellent! This is certainly shaping up to be something very special.

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